IRC meetings now at new 7am PST time:

1. what is up
2. SoC
3. Axios Tools
4. 1.1.0 release
5. trunk descussion

Jody> good morning
<Jody> Jesse_Eichar_ ping
<Jesse_Eichar_> hell
<Jody> ?
<Jesse_Eichar_> o
<Jesse_Eichar_>
<Jesse_Eichar_> grk
<Jesse_Eichar_> have to log back in
<Jesse_Eichar_> client seems to have lost its mind
<Jody> I am here; did not make it into work yet - I am at home where the internet connnection is bad.
<moovida> hello diggers
<moovida> I guess Omar is the raster mapcalc guy
<moovida> hi Omar, good to see you here
<moovida> hi Luca, now noticed you too
<Omar> Good morning
<Luca> good morning
<Jody> H
<Jesse_Eichar> hello?
<Jody> i
<Jesse_Eichar> ok
<Jesse_Eichar> better
moovida thinks that only Jody is in the morning
<Jesse_Eichar>
<Jody> Okay welcome everyone to our weekly uDig IRC meeting!
<Jesse_Eichar> kind of looks like your out numbered jody
<Jody> now at a time that makes europe happy
<Jody> (you all owe me a coffee)
<moovida> Jesse, today I think I got the imageio-ext built on macosx
<Jesse_Eichar> It'll be cold by the time it gets there
<Jody> sweet!
<moovida> you owe me that beer, I don't forget
<Jesse_Eichar> nice!
<Jody> So agenda items for today ...
<moovida> good, will the meetings now always be at that time?
=-= Jody has changed the topic to "0) what is up 1) SoC 2) 1.1.0 release"
<Jesse_Eichar> its good for me
<Jesse_Eichar> don't know how jody feels
<Jesse_Eichar> its 7 am for him
<Jody> what else do we got? (for new people here change the subject line to grab an agenda topic)
<moovida>
<Jody> we can also talk about things via email a bit ... exploring the issues before the meeting.
<Jesse_Eichar> Good for me.
<moovida> what is up does also contain a trunc review
<moovida> ?
<Jody> Jesse you have a munchkin on the way; 7am and earlier will be more known to you then me.
<Jody> we can make trunk a seperate agenda topic.
=-= Jody has changed the topic to "0) what is up 1) SoC 2) 1.1.0 release 3) trunk descussion"
<Jesse_Eichar> good
<moovida> alright
<Jody> okay let's go ...
<Jesse_Eichar> 0) What's up
<Jody> 0) what is up
<Jesse_Eichar> me first
<moovida> what's up?
<Jody> (the game is one line each; let people know what you are up to ... nice informal way to start the meeting)
<moovida> go Jesse_Eichar
<Jesse_Eichar> I'm pretty busy but sounds like next month I'll have time to do more uDig work. One project they have may require uDig to some degree
<Jesse_Eichar> and 2 the installer is almost done. I'm working on making it professional feeling
<Jody> jgarnett - I am spending days trying to install Oracle+ArcSDE, SQLServer+ArcSDE. Basically trying to run test cases - the goal is to get uDig down to using only one ArcSDE connection.
<Jesse_Eichar> done
<Jesse_Eichar> that is trunk I assume?
<moovida> we are getting our analysis stuff to a jai level, as much as possible should be done at that level, so all that gets in JGrass goes also in udig. Right now migrating GRASS format to imageio-ext. That is also needed to Omar for the mapcal, in order to have it also in udig.
<Jody> sweet

• acuster is very, very far from udig these days
  <Jody> between process and the rastcalc we will have a good story to tell with the next udig.
  <Jody> (acuster is missed)
  <Jody> anyone else ... don't be shy. Does not have to be udig related - my arcsde work is all at the geotools level for example.
  <moovida> may I ask Mauricio what is going on on their side?
  <moovida> I am so interested in their tools
  <moovida> not sure if he is here...
  <Jody> mauricio ping!
  <Jody> okay moving on ...
  <Jody> 1) SoC
  <moovida> alright
  <Jody> So SoC alotments have been called; how did we fair as a project?
  <moovida> may I introduce two guys here?
  <moovida> Omar for the raster -mapcalc
  <janjeze1> Is Josef here as well?
  <Omar> Hi
  <moovida> and Luca, which will do his thesis, will also need some community help
  <moovida> he will work on the vector -mapcalc
  <Luca> hi to everyone
  <moovida> Jody: he will need some help from you
  <Omar> I need a little time to study jai
  <moovida> Jody, do you have a pile of things to make Luca study on in this bounding period?
  <moovida> Omar: you have the bounding period for that, don't worry
  <Omar> ok
  <moovida> Jody: ping
  <moovida> Hi Jan, I'm glad your student made it
  <moovida> the tin thing is a nice one
  <janjeze1> Hi. I glad too but he is not here probably
  <moovida> Ok, there was a third appliation?
  <moovida> was that the h2 spatialization?
  <Jody> Omar can I get an email from any of one of your professors (sent to jgarnett@refractions.net) - I can then open up the uDig training materials for you.
  <moovida> not sure...
  <janjeze1> Yes
  <Jesse_Eichar> I didnt see that
  <Jesse_Eichar> Did it make the short list?
  <moovida> yes, but not sure if it was on geotools
  <Jody> Another project picked it up
  <Jody> I think geosever did
  <janjeze1> the H2 project is geoserver one
  <Jody> Martin Davis and Justin have been talking about indexs non stop; the poor student.
  <janjeze1>
  <moovida> poor gui
  <moovida> so there are two projects slotted for udig
  <moovida> not three
  <Jesse_Eichar> So I guess the confusing got me dropped off as a mentor then
  <Jesse_Eichar> confusing = confusion
  <Omar> ok Jody
  <moovida> did the kml guy get in touch with you again?
  <Jody> Hi did
  <Jody> he was very nice; but did not make the cut.
  <Jesse_Eichar> Bummer... oh well
  <Jody> I think we needed to be a bit more active on this end; I had a hard time finding you Jesse
  <Jesse_Eichar> I have been way to busy to do anything outside of work hours
  <Jesse_Eichar> Still that way
  <Jesse_Eichar> I don't even have a bed to sleep on
  <moovida> that is when you want to get Swiss
  <Jesse_Eichar> Its ok
  <moovida> lol
• moovida can imagine
  <Jesse_Eichar> but I will apply to Foss4g since camptocamp is going
  <Jesse_Eichar> it'd be nice to show the uDig face there
  <moovida> Jody, I need you to give Luca a first direction for the vector mapcalc
  <Jody> sweet.
  <Jody> Reminds me I will be missing next week for a bit; moving myself.
  <Jody> Luca have you gone through the developer tutorials on the web site yet; there are three of them.
  <Jody> After that you will need to follow the instructions to build uDig trunk
  <Jody> (which I hope does not involve building geotools this week!)
  <Luca> not yet
  <Luca> but i will read it
  <Jody> Lets swap email back and forth and see how you do; I have reports of the Custom App tutorial not releasing from Eclipse 3.3.2 (we need to make a new extras download)
  <Jody> Anything else for SoC?
  <janjeze1> Btw.... should the GSoC students work on trunk? Or SDK?
  <mauricio> jgarnett, hi
  <Jody> Other then a general - Welcome to uDig it is going to be a great summer!
  <Jody> janjeze1 udig 1.1.x is dead for development purposes; only thing to do is kick it out the door.
  <Jody> so trunk
  <moovida> i would highly recomend SDK
  <mauricio> jody, hi
  <janjeze1> ok. Good
  <moovida> I am afraid of what could happen
  <Jody> But I was hoping to see moovida try out trunk first
  <Jody> Jan; Landon Blake has a related DEM project and wanted to talk to you both.
  <moovida> that depends on the point 3 of agenda
  <moovida> I want to go on trunc
  <moovida> hi mauricio,
  <Jody> okay lets move the agenda on then ...
  <janjeze1> Ok. I'll get in touch with Landon.
  <moovida> can I just quickly ask mauricio a one line feedback on axios tools?
  <Jody> sure ... adding it to the agenda
  <mauricio> mooida, ok
  =-= Jody has changed the topic to "0) what is up 1) SoC 2) Axios Tools 3) 1.1.0 release 4) trunk descussion"
  <Jody> next agenda topic is ..
  <Jody> 2) Axios Tools
  <Jody> ... go ahead ... there is some Robbie's Rules of Order guy going to hunt me down for that one.
  <moovida> we all love the Axios tools
  <mauricio> good
  <mauricio> well they need more work
  <Jody> and we would like a new copy for the update site
  <mauricio> ok
  <mauricio> today we have finished the basque transaltion
  <mauricio> then we can work with Axios tools
  <mauricio> I take a look and it have some compilation proble
  <mauricio> problems
  <mauricio> I sove spatial operations problems
  <mauricio> but editing tools require more work
  <mauricio> that is our plan
  <moovida> ok, thanks
  <Jody> I have not had much luck getting the JTS1.9 patch accepted by Martin (even when I have paid hours for him to review it)
  <Jody> this patch makes the axios tools able to interrupt the buffer operation for example.
  <Jody> I have found when researching Callable/Future API a safe way to stop a Thread ... so we may end up using that as a back up plan (even though it would be super lame)
  <Jody> I am not quite sure how to update the update site; but it will be something we need to figure out for the 1.1.0 relase (so the Axios tools are actually available)
  <Jesse_Eichar> what way is that?
  <Jody> I sent an email example to GeoTools recently; basically look at the code for FutureTask
  <Jody> it shows how ... and is pretty magic.
  <Jody> The problem with Thread.interrupt() is you can only call it once
  <Jesse_Eichar> I know that
  <Jody> so they have an object that uses a Lock
  <Jesse_Eichar> I just don't know what mechanism you're refering to
  <Jody> and a scary empty for loop
  <Jody> to make sure that Thread.interrupt() is only called once.
  <Jody> so the mechanism is Thread.interrupt(); the magic is the very careful use of Java 5 concurrency classes to make sure that is called exactly once.
  <Jesse_Eichar> huh
  <Jesse_Eichar> ok don't want to know more
  <Jesse_Eichar>
  <Jody> 3) 1.1.0 release
  <Jody> we have two stated things that need to happen before the release cycle:
  <Jody> - osx installer
  <Jody> - translations
  <Jody> The release cycle itself will consist of going through the walkthroughs and checking for any regressions etc... the one I know of is the update site.
  <Jesse_Eichar> me me!
  <Jody> Jesse you reported some progress on the osx installer; so far you are the only person doing this so we need you!
  <Jody> go go
  <Jesse_Eichar> osx installer. Pretty well done. But will need some testing and translations
  <Jesse_Eichar> also needs a bit of prettying up.
  <Jesse_Eichar> Not alot any more though
  <Jesse_Eichar> translations: I just added the italian updates given to me by Silvia
  <Jody> I added a bit of Korean; but the one that is really hurting is French.
  <Jody> Mauricio you are happy with the Spanish translation in RC14 are you not?
  <Jesse_Eichar> Well maybe the french can be my french course project
  <mauricio> I found some errors
  <mauricio> but i don't know if there is someone working in it
• moovida has a shapefile that doesn't properly show the attributes table
  <moovida> that will go in the next one?
  <Jody> confused; I did add code to handle shapefiles with duplicate dbf column names.
  <Jesse_Eichar> I think so
  <mauricio> jesse_Eichar Who was the original spanish traslator
  <mauricio> could we do some corrections
  <moovida> yes, two days ago I showed udig and people were mega-happy and the first shaefile from them I loaded threw an error Murphy, I think
  <moovida> It has to do with character encoding i think
  <Jesse_Eichar> Demos... always have a set script and don't deviate
  <Jody> we got around 10 mins left on this meeting
  <moovida>
  <moovida> alright, trunc then
  <moovida>
  <Jody> 4) trunk
  <moovida> what IS trunk these days?
  <Jody> it builds! geotools stopped messing with jar names ... and the new refresh.xml script is so good I want it backported to 1.1.x
  <Jody>
  <Jesse_Eichar> sweet
  <Jesse_Eichar> thanks for that
  <moovida> great
  <Jesse_Eichar> (as long as it works)
  <acuster> how does it work?
  <moovida> what about functionalities?
  <Jody> It uses the maven-ant-tasks to download dependencies.
  <acuster> eclipse clean/rebuild also checks the geotools jars?
  <acuster> (what triggers it?)
  <mauricio> sorry I must go (I'll go back in one hour)
  <Jody> personally I run the script targets myself from inside eclipse
  <Jody> I have experimented with hooking it up to the "manual build" hook in eclipse.
  <acuster> right click on the file?
  <Jody> but really I would like to ask what people would like to see.

  <-- mauricio has left freenode (Remote closed the connection) <Jody> right click on the file; run as ant script, refresh to have eclipse notice all the new jars. <acuster> thanks <moovida> so what is really missing to make the jump? <moovida> styling? editing? you were talking about problems in the past? <Jody> we got a short list <Jody> styling is the one that requires work <Jody> editing is the same <moovida> in the sense that it gives lots of troubles <Jody> and the datastores (ie geotools) is starting to get better and better the more we work on it <Jody> styling was kind of uDig's ball; so we get to clean it up. <Jody> A bloke called Eclesia is looking at updating Styling to 1.1 specification, and RasterSymbolizer support just landed on geotools trunk this week <Jody> (which is going to be amazing) <Jody> we need a user interface so we can try that out from uDig... <Jody> as for styling the part that is broken is the functions that we use to "Categorize" the data when making an automatic theme. <moovida> ok, I see. <Jody> I would like to split that idea into two; leave the theme editor as is; and make a wizard that generates the automatic theme... <moovida> so rasters need a gui, but do work <moovida> vectors miss the theme thing <Jody> you got it. <moovida> and editing misses what? <Jody> rastersymbolizer (with color maps and all of that) is brand new; it was geotools work that was done on a branch - this will be the first time I have seen it. <Jody> editing misses nothing. <Jody> the biggest annoyance for me right now working on trunk; is constantly checking 1.1.x before fixing a problem <moovida> but gives troubles? <Jody> what else is going on... <Jody> template based PDF generation. <Jody> I am not sure I understand moovida; the "themer" is important to uDig as a product; without that I have not bothered making a milestone release for people to try out ... <Jody> trunk runs; and is being used as a base for my commercial work these days. <Jody> (indeed 1.1.x is the thing I cannot get any time to work on) <moovida> I wanted to know that. Can I do editing like in 1.1.x? <moovida> If I can make it Silvia use to work, I can try to step over <moovida> and direct all efforths there <moovida> theme style is not a problem right now <moovida> but if editing doesn't work and such things, she will kill me <moovida> on the other hand I could directly work there on the new raster operations and so on <moovida> so editing on trunk == editing on 1.1.x <moovida> ? <Jody> correct <moovida> oh, nice <moovida> well then the 100000000 $ question <Jody> if there is a problem it is more likely to be fixed on trunk these days. <moovida> <Jody> and when I find a problem I always check 1.1.x to see if Jesse magically fixed it there when I was not looking. <moovida> ok, that is a + for trunk <moovida> but... <moovida> will there be an sdk awaylable for trunk? or is this heretic to ask? <Jody> I don't think that is a smart idea <moovida> Jody, did you faint because of my question? Jesse? <Jody> a) I don't have time

• moovida knew it
  <Jody> b) I need you guys on trunk helping!
  <Jody> (I am not as nice as Jesse about making SDK releases)
  <Jesse_Eichar> I will be there get the autobuilds going for trunk
  <Jody> That said if you want to make an SDK moovida; the docs on how to do that are in the wiki
  <Jody> I do understand that SDK releases are a great thing
  <moovida> I tried more than once Jody I almost left developing for getting a gardner
  <Jesse_Eichar> jody reminded to zip up the eclipse on vm-udigbuild
  <Jody> understood;
  <Jody> translation I need to get Jesse the development env for the nightly builds ... so he can make SDKs a bit easier.
  <Jody> okay we are a bit over time... and I need to go to work.
  <Jody> Can I ask someone to post the logs to the web site, and I will see you all in email.
  <moovida> yes, thanks for the talk guys, I also have to run
  <Jesse_Eichar> ok ciao jody
  <Jesse_Eichar> ciao every one
  <moovida> ciao
  <Jesse_Eichar> good to talk again
  <Omar> ciao every one
  <Luca> ciao
  <Omar> ciao a tutti
  <janjeze1> ciao
  <moovida> who can do the logs?
  <moovida> mine are in a strange format
  <Jody> I think I can...
  <Jody> yes I have them all

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